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It takes a certain type of person to manage rental property. Here’s a good way to determine if you are this sort of person. Lend some money to your most deadbeat friend or family member.Now try to get it back. That means repeated calls or visits”Do you have my money yet? When am I going to get my money?If that doesn’t work, it’s time to type up something official. “If I don’t get my money, I’m taking you to court.”Anyway, from my experience, rental income is good income per time spent.

However, the dead beats and the picky people are a pain from the beginning but drag on you mentally more and more the longer you are in the business.Here are a few of my general rules.Old people on a fixed income are GOLDENIf they start out with a problem, they are a constant problemNo pets!.MMM May 23, 2011, 4:04 pm. Yeah, very true. I’ve had perhaps 20 sets of renters over the years and it seems about a third are absolutely golden, a third are medium-but-okay, and the bottom third have been either very negligent about taking care of the houses, super-fussy (can you change the light bulbs and smoke alarm batteries for me?!), deadbeats and/or scam artists (two evictions even!). But looking back, the bad experiences were preventable if I had been picky about people having good credit scores instead of good excuses for their bad credit.My favorite type of person to do business with is young nerdy professional couples who just sold their previous home, and moved here for a fancy job and will move on to buying a house of their own after a year.Grizz August 15, 2013, 10:49 am. Mustache!Great post again.I love how the blog is starting to shift into income producing territory. I also really enjoyed the beer post because being in college, things can definitely get out of hand financially when drinking.Getting into real estate seems intriguing but I almost feel as if it might be better just to sock money into an REIT index fund to get exposure to real estate while receiving monthly dividends (pretty much rents checks) without dealing with banks or renters. However the return would probably quite a bit lower right?.MMM May 23, 2011, 4:15 pm.

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Hi MMM,How do you account for the selling fees in your analysis? It makes a big difference in whether you can actually recover your principal and whether your investment is profitable.For example, with your case of having an additional $230. 12 = $2760 in principal after the first year + appreciation 2%. $200000 = $4000. If you were to sell after year 1 in order to recover your principal you’d be hit with 7% selling fees, correct? That’s 7%.

$204000 = $14280. Not only does that wipe out the capital gains $2760 + $4000 – $14280 = – $7520, it also wipes out the cash flow $250. 12 – $7520 = – $4520. After some amount of time the appreciation will hopefully overcome the various fees but your net return will never be as high as predicted in your analysisI’d like to believe I am missing something. Please correct me if I’m wrong, I was excited about this idea!Best,Casanova.May 24, 2011, 10:14 pm. I kind of fell into being a landlord backwards and it didn’t work out so well.

I had just bought a house in 2007, and about 18 mos later I moved in with my boyfriend-then-husband who also owned a house. I rented mine out.I bought at the height of the market and didn’t put much down. My PITI was about $1700 and I could only rent it for $1250.

I couldn’t deal with managing it so I hired a property manager for another 10% off the top. No problem, I’ll get some back in tax deductions, right? Nope, because I wasn’t managing the property myself so NO deductions for me.

Lose, lose, lose.Now, however, is a much better time to buy houses, and IF you have $$ to plunk down so that your PITI. Hi Liz,Yeah, a good cautionary tale. Your situation is definitely common – even my rental houses were mostly places I had formerly lived in. But they were all cashflow-positive and even would have been so if I had 100% mortgages on the homes. That’s where the rent-to-value ratio comes in. If a person is actually looking to “Get Rich with Owning Rental Houses”, it’s essential that the place starts paying for itself right away – without depending on tax deductions, an unusually large downpayment, or any future appreciation.This favorable ratio tends to happen more in cities where good family-ready houses are less than $200,000 – since it is common to find young renters able to pay $1200 in rent – as opposed to cities where the houses are $1.4M – where the rent would have to be $8400/month just to produce the same rent-to-price ratio! So it’s not for Silicon Valley Mustachians, unless they want to manage a rental quite far from home.Ed September 10, 2016, 9:49 pm.

To Casanova – you sure as hell don’t get into RealEstate investing, or pretty much any investing, for that short of a term.Everything is compounded over time and if your going to get into property management, make sure you’re the property manger type. You need a thick skin, a tough manner and the balls to see it through. I bought a house a year for several years and last year I renegotiated all our mortgages, taking nearly $100,000 out. We bought a truck, paid out a $35K line of credit (which I had used as a down payment for my last property) and put $60K into our TSFA.

In 20 years I’ll be able to sell out for an after tax of nearly half a million dollars. But again, it’s just apart of a well diversified plan.

We have money in RSPs, LIRA, farmland, classic cars and a few stocks. All the kids school is paid for with RESPs and we have set aside a good sum for our special needs sons future care as well.May 25, 2011, 8:52 am. Just found your blog and really enjoying your posts and really enjoyed this post. However not everyone with a bad credit are bad tenants, especially if they have a long history of paying rent on time despite a bad credit score.We have rented places with up to 5 dogs and our landlords have always loved us as much as we loved them, paying rent ALWAYS on time, doing our own repairs and being extremly responsable with our pets. I always found my kids could do a whole lot more damage to a rental than our dogs.However I also have seen those with pets and bad credit that would be a NIGHTMARE to rent to.

I would think a long rental history would speak much louder about the character of a renter than a credit score or owning a pet could say about a person.Keep up this wonderful blog, look forward to following your inspiring posts!.Daniel May 25, 2011, 9:19 am. You are very right – I figured I may get to write more about it if readers seem interested in rental properties. I definitely love my landlord tax deductions! Also there is of course the 3% per year depreciation you get to claim on the building itself, which is several thousand more. You do have to pay it back when you sell the place, but it is still a nice cashflow booster – effectively like an interest-free cash advance on the eventual appreciation of the property.Matt C June 25, 2013, 8:25 am.

Tax deductions are great unless your earned income is above a certain level or you are not spending 750 hours doing material activities related to the homes you are renting.The laws changed a bit in 2007 so if you are a high income (family or single) wage earner, you cannot claim real estate losses as they are considered passive losses. Deductions must be accrued for when the place is sold. We ended up giving the IRS back about 30K for 2008-2010.

The legal headache of handling the IRS, lawyers etc cautionary tale, do your due diligence!That being said our CPA should have identified the change in the law in 2007.Details of the law are IRS SS 469 Reg, SS 1.469-5T(f)(4)Outside of that, I concur that rentals are a great way to build streams of cashflow. My spouse religiously chooses tennants with a high credit score and proven income as these criteria can be more important than getting $200 more dollars in rent.Tina B May 25, 2011, 9:51 am. A few years ago we made our first attempt at being landlords. We bought a fixer upper but it wasn’t in the best part of town. That was our first mistake because we couldn’t atttract the best kind of renters. We had renters in it for a year (nagging monthly for partial/late payments). My husband hated it but I thought we did ok.

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They moved out w/o paying the last month but we had the deposit and there was no damage. They had painted a room w/o permission and replaced an outside light with a motion sensor light.Now we have paid off our mortgage and are debt free. I am ready to try again but my husband has cold feet. This time we could build a small house in our own neighborhood. It should attract good renters and we could keep an eye on it. I wll screen carefully this time around and set the rent low enough that we get plenty of applicants.May 25, 2011, 11:23 am. I thought the same thing.

I was even going to recommend to Liz that she file an amended return, but if you move back into the house that changes everything. Plus a MAGI over $100k or owning through an LLC would also prevent being able to claim passive losses.per the irs, “As long as a taxpayer participates in management decisions in a bona fide sense, he actively participated in the real estate rental activity. There is no specific hour requirement. However, the taxpayer must be exercising independent judgment and not simply ratifying decisions made by a manager.”.J May 25, 2011, 12:51 pm.

How about doing this on a larger scale? I heard of people who own giant apartment complexes (dozens or even hundreds of apartments!) and can live off the passive income. I assume that they outsource all the management to, well, a property management company in exchange for a small cut of the profits.

Have you heard anything about this, MMM? The risks and the initial investment on something like that would be a lot bigger (unless you could pull a Trump and buy with no money down), but the payoff would be tremendous as well.:).MMM June 2, 2011, 1:07 pm. Hi G.L.!I certainly have heard of it. One of my neighbors is rocking a 300-unit, as mentioned in one of my earlier articles about The Millionaire Next Door.

And years earlier in my office worker days, there was another coworker that secretly had hundreds of apartments as well. Apparently to qualify for a loan on one of these buildings, the top factor considered by the bank is the performance of the apartment building itself (rental income, vacancy rate, historical costs, etc.). As opposed to the size of the income of the buyer.Many people work their way up by starting with just 1-4-unit buildings. There is one particular 6-apartment building for sale right now in my own town that brings in $4200/month (the appts bring in $700 each), yet is listed at only $349,000. That’s a gross cap rate of 14.4% – twice as good as the best rental house I’ve ever had!But for now I’m content with my existing free time/passive income balance, so I have to avoid the temptation to start trading time for money again, unless it is time spent doing something I really enjoy, like building things.June 3, 2011, 3:16 am.

I realize this is years after the fact, but do you still have this neighbor, and is he still keen on giving financial advice? I have a very specific question about my best route to eventually owning multiple (smaller) apartment complexes. At the moment, I am 26 years old, debt and obligation free, and closing on my second rental this week. I make more than enough income doing what I love 5 months a year, the rest of the year I travel and invest and learn. I’m a great admirer of the blog, remembered this post, and thought I’d drop you a line!.IMN February 15, 2017, 12:25 pm.

I know this is old, but I wanted to add to this incase anyone else wants to know. This is what my Grandfather did, essentially. He began as a farmer (that was his father’s line of work) and scraped by with the produce from the land but was smart enough to see that it wasn’t a good way to make a living and that he didn’t have a knack for it. He is good at building houses cheaply, however, and the money he got he invested in building rental properties. He started in the 50s and he’s still doing it today. He has grown that initial business of one or two houses to now owning two major apartment complexes in a college town, a shopping complex, I don’t know how many separate single family homes in the general area, a restaurant, and one entire neighborhood of single family houses.

He has about two or three employees who manage those for him (no outside company), and he and his crew of about 5 people continue to do the maintenance themselves. The word “retirement” is not in his vocabulary, and he grudges any penny spent on things that are unnecessary.

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In fact, people have given my grandparents free meals before because they thought they were homeless based on how they dress and spend money, but he can go to the bank (whose property he owns and collects rent on) and get a loan for 6 million pretty easily. He has done very well for himself using rental properties, which is his only source of income. All that to say, it can be done, but it helps if you are willing to do a lot of the work yourself and to reinvest in the business.

He also partnered at the beginning with a lawyer and a man who owned a lumber mill as his two investors in the rental business, so that has helped as well.Carlos E September 12, 2011, 10:40 am. Hi MMM,I myself rent a SFH in SF east bay area. I’m looking for a condo as a rental property where I will not live in. I see reasonably priced condos (1/1 or 2/1) near by public transportation, shopping, schools.

I can afford to pay 20+% down payment and the rent will generate positive cash flow from the beginning given that finding tenant in this area is not that difficult. Given my job situation and my wife’s, we can pay off the condo in 5 years. I am thinking of going for 5/1 ARM. However, I’m not clear about the tax implication in that kind of arrangement.

If you can cover this scenario that would be really helpful.Thanks,AM.December 19, 2011, 12:15 pm. There is some good discussion of this over in the MMM forum.

It looks like the most savvy landlords place each property (or a small group of them) into a dedicated LLC, then they set up a standard and umbrella insurance policy to cover them. I’ve got appropriate coverage through my low-cost homeowner’s policy.As your rental portfolio grows, so does the risk of lawsuits. But this risk is still extremely small – remember, to be sued you either have to do something seriously wrong to your tenants (which you won’t do), and/or have a seriously dickheaded and opportunistic tenant who wants to abuse the law.

I am not saying these people do not exist, but I am saying they are very rare.It is much more profitable to lead your life based on integrity and trust, rather than fear of highly improbable events. The fear will paralyze you and you’ll never take any risks, meaning you’ll never succeed in business.After being through a few court cases locally and learning about mindset that judges use to evaluate the validity of claims, I don’t worry about lawsuits, for anything, at all.September 5, 2014, 12:01 am. I just came across it.The SFH portfolio has just recently been recognized as an asset class by institutional investors. Three PE firms just a couple of months ago announced that they have pledged a total of $2.5B to buy up SFHs. My guess is that in the next couple of years you will see the first SFH REIT. (A few years ago I wondered if there was a SFH REIT out there.

I found out there were none.)I have a 55 SFH portfolio in TX, and I was just contacted this week by a firm that seeks to create a SFH REIT. I was also contacted today by a Canadian investor that is circling money to build a SFH portfolio. A few weeks ago, a firm in LA contacted me for the same purpose.What this means to the small investor is that there will likely be an “exit” for people who build small SFH portfoliosthey may be able to sell their portfolio of homes to institutional investors.More details on my take:Happy investing!B.May 2, 2012, 1:46 pm. Wow, you have FIFTY FIVE single family homes? That’s a pleasant and profitable business, taken to the extreme.

I kind of hope the institutional investment side doesn’t get too strong, because I like the fact that these small local opportunities exist in every town and city, allowing local entrepreneurs to benefit. I view it as a way of leveling the economic playing field for the little guy, since even owning 2-3 rental houses is plenty to provide for a spending-efficient person in retirement.superbien July 31, 2012, 12:23 pm.

I’m really interested in this post, and would love some advice on my situation if anyone has advice to share! I live just outside Washington DC but am about to take a job inside the DC border, with a miserable awful commute (by car 20 minutes, plus or minus 2 hours; bus/metro train 1.5 hour; biking not an option b/c deep ghetto) across one of only 2 bridges.

When my current lease ends I’m looking at moving into DC. But I’m noticing that I could buy a 2-bedroom condo for less than renting a 1-bedroom or even studio, within bike commuting distance of my new job.

I think a lot of neighborhoods in DC are right at the cusp of gentrifying and having the prices skyrocket – I’ve watched it happen in two neighborhoods (Navy Yard and parts of SW Waterfront) – so I think it’d be a good investment. Even better I could have a roommate to cover (at a minimum) the $1k monthly mortgage, so I could apply my “rent” to principal and kill the mortgage as fast as I can manage. Over time I think it would seriously appreciate, and in the meantime I’d be paying well below market rates on rent.This is all in theory (well I’m talking to a realtor, getting preapproval, and touring neighborhoods) – has anyone done something like this?

Any cautions or heads up on hazards?Thanks!.stachenator May 19, 2013, 10:27 am. Thanks for the post MMM. I have a question regarding whether to pay the mortgage down to $0 for a rental property, or should I leave a mortgage on it since I can deduct the interest on Schedule E?

At roughly $10,000/year mortgage interest, the tax saving is significant–with it I have a loss on paper, as I’m sure you have had the experience of. Should I resist the urge to pay the house off? Most of the getting-rich-with-rentals blogs would say leverage as much as possible Keeping taking money out of the equity and buy more.

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Such an aggressive attitude seems un-considered to me. Would be very interested in your thoughts.